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GOANET - Floriano's Sunday Ramblings-10 & Vivek

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From: "Vivek"
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Floriano's sunday ramblings-10 & Vivek

[Foriano says]

"And come to think of it, it is not surprising that some ex-pat Goans have taken it on themselves to lecture us at Goa Su-Raj on the need of a 'national party' to rule us in Goa. Whatever happened to the regional pride, I wonder!"

[Vivek]

If the reference is to my comments earlier i would like to coment some more:

[Floriano]

I must admit that the reference is right and you are most welcom.

[Vivek]

The idea that a regional party with a state centric agenda will benefit the state has been debunked in the past. If history is any indicator almost all regional outfits have started out with lofty principles and have degenerated into dynastic corrupt regimes pandering to chauvinist aspirations of their constituents. Regional pride has never helped anyone!

[Floriano]

That is according to you. You may hold whatever opinion you want. But according to me you are blatantly wrong. If your opinion is the right one than why don't Punjabis call themselves just Indians? Likewise Sindhis, Gujaratis, Maharashtrians. Bengalis, Goans etc. Let us call ourselves Indians like Japanenese call themselves Japanese... Lofty ideals??? Comunidades is lofty ideals? Good Governance sans graft is lofty ideals? These are not lofty ideals but practical ideals, ideals that we all live with, eat and breathe. Those who pander to chauvinist aspirations are political con-men. And you should be smart enough to identify them. Don't put everyone in the same basket.

[Vivek]

Frederick was correct in saying that one must appeal to all sections of society in order to be politically acceptable. One can not just aspire to win power and rule solely based on a set of principles , however ideal those may be.

[Floriano]

First off, Frederick must know who he is addressing these standard sentences to. I have told him to read our Road Map first and then make his comments, if he is talking about Goa Su-Raj. Standard lines just to make one's point fluid, do not apply to Goa Su-Raj because we have seen to it that we have eliminated all biases and differences between classes of Goan people and have made Goa Su-Raj fully and universally representative of Goa and Goans. One cannot just aspire to win power and rule solely based on a set of principles?? Do you yourself know what you are talking about?? Principles, for your kind information, are Principles. There are no these principles and those principles.There are no ' superior' principles and 'inferior' principles. There are no 'good' and 'bad' principles. If you want to argue, do your homework well. I read each and every word that is being said.

[Vivek]

As far as the Portuguese punishments go, does Floriano believe it was ok for the Portuguese police to detain two seemingly innocent individuals and violate their human rights by shaving off their xendis? Is this the kind of policing that Floriano wants to implement?

[Floriano]

Just remember that the Portuguese regime was a dictatorship. And dictators do not recognise even humans,forget about human rights. Remember Hitler, Milosevich et al??. What I was conveying by those happenings is that the punishment was light but on the spot and mostly very humiliating. That is why there were no crimes (relatively as now) in Goa during that regime. Sure, you give me half a chance and I shall do just that. Someone has to put the lousy democracy into the pocket the moment approprite laws are made before the democracy puts us into its pockets, like the one we have in Goa now.

[Vivek]

Bhausaheb bandodkar was a visionary and a product of his times. To heap scorn on him not only reflects a poor understanding of goas history but is also an indicator of a biased mindset. Bhau may not have been flawless but to tar all his actions with tne brush is unfair.

[Floriano]

Oh yes! His vision of Goa was a kaleidoscope of technicolor merged with Maharashtra. His Tenancy Act was so visionary that it wiped off the centuries old indegenous GAUNKARIES (Portuguese applelation Comunidades). And those GAUNKARIES were the brainchild of our forefathers where Bandodkar was not the inheritor but we Goans were and are. Goa's Orchards, cultivable fields all went the same visionary way to the tenants because these were predominantly held by Goan Hindus. However Goa's 'SALT PANS' didn't figure in Bandodkar's vision because these were held predominantly by Christians (95 %). Please check your statistics and tell me I am wrong. Bandodkar was absolutely communal, and, you don't have to take my word for it. Listen to what Adv. Amrut Kansar says. Mr. Kansar was part of Bandodkar's gang at one time. And the man of 'letters' Mr. Atre's ( a Maharashtrian) special title for Bandodkar is 'MATRAGANINI' . It is the Marathi word. If you don't know the meaning, then please find it out for yourself from others who know.

AND IN ALL THIS, I HAVE 'NO' PERSONAL GALL WITH BAHUSAHEB BANDODKAR. I have always known him as a Cricket Lover and as a kid, I have even played in his village tournaments where he used to be personally present. It is just that I have always vibed for Goa in my own humble way and my bias against Bahusaheb Bandodkar is not on account of his being corrupt or anything, which he was not. And I have stated this publicly. Compared to his chelas, who are the present rulers of Goa, he was a saint. But I have maintain that he entertained corrupt ideas, whether his own or of his advisors. I know my history well. Rest assured. And my entry into State politics as a co-founder of a GOA CENTRIC political party gives me access to history thro' lessons in history by my peers who are alive and kicking and who may or may not be sufficiently biased against Bandodkar. One such peer is shortly releasing , for the first time, a book on Goa's complete history since the era of pre-arrival of the Portuguese into Goa, which according to him, will make the reader's hair stand on end. And according to him, Bandodkar may have been misguided about the merger of Goa into Maharashtra but suffered cold feet at the last moment and worked for 2 leaves (Opinion Poll) with all his might. That, ofcourse is very tough for me and the likes of younger me to swallow. But if it is the truth, then, however bitter the pill may be, it must and will be swallowed, for the reason given seems very much plausible.

best rgds

-vivek

-floriano

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